The FSSP is Now in Formal Schism from the SSPX. On Starting a New SSPX Chapel in the Tulsa Diocese.

 

They’ve Drawn a Line in the Sand.  So Be It.  We Choose the Unadulterated Faith and Church, without Compromise to the Modernist Errors and Modernist Rome.  We Will Not Burn One Grain of Incense to the False Gods of Modernism 

See the FSSP Document HERE

Introduction 

Schism includes refusal to be in communion with other Catholics, in particular at the liturgy and sacramentally.  As of July 1st, the SSPX still advised the laity that circumstances can make it prudent and acceptable to attend FSSP Masses, and other similar approved Latin Masses, which showed  communion of the SSPX TOWARDS the FSSP.  

I’m guessing they will now say that is not the case after this new document essentially establishing that the FSSP considers the SSPX to be in formal schism, including from the FSSP.  I await their direction.  

Check out Fr. Robinson’s podcast from a few years ago   

The FSSP is now formally requiring SSPX-affiliated Catholics to stop habitually attending the SSPX, to sign off on total acceptance of V2 and the NO, that is to accept errors that violate the Faith, as the FSSP does, in order to be allowed to share in liturgical and sacramental communion at their parishes.   

This is obvious from the new official document put out at their Maple Hills, KS parish, which they set up years ago to draw in the SSPX Faithful just to the north in St. Mary’s, KS of The Immaculata chapel. 

Reading the public document, it clearly reflects the position of the diocese and the FSSP, not just their own.  They are falling in line with the Fernandez nuclear war against the entire SSPX movement, showing a grave lack of charity, justice, or intellectual honesty that only the Decree against the six bishops has LEGAL FORCE.  The rest is disinformation.  They have canon lawyers, yet perpetuate the lie the entire SSPX is now a formal schism, and the laity and priests are now excommunicated.  

Tulsa Diocese 

There are several families and individuals at FSSP Tulsa, Most Precious Blood, not to mention also who live out near Clear Creek monastery, and in other areas, who would also be excluded from communion with the FSSP, by this new FSSP Declaration, who, despite the SSPX having to shut down its tiny chapel in Tulsa in 2017, being far removed from the nearest SSPX chapel, nonetheless “formally adhere” to the SSPX’s doctrinal positions, the July 1st episcopal consecrations, and the overall movement against the New Religion of V2 coming from the conciliar Vatican.  I suspect by now there are many others who also “formally adhere,” not only those who attend the SSPX.  

Many trad bloggers no doubt meet the criteria, AND the countless trads who follow them and later share news and theology at the church coffee and doughnuts.   The Vatican knows this.  My own diocese very well by now certainly knows this about The Okie Traditionalist, and it being widely followed locally across the diocese.  

Which was from the beginning 10 years ago now (!) my outlook and goal, despite a minority of haters.  Which is to be expected. 

Tulsa Diocese traditional Catholics must unite.  Form our own regular prayer and study group, our own “chapel,” including a Facebook group or similar, and eventually place the group under the help of the SSPX, even if the SSPX can only visit on rare occasions (at first), or just communicate to the group via online video.   We can pray the rosary, Mass watching it over YT, and for newcomers practice ecclesiastical Latin pronunciations, and chant, and later have fellowship and watch adult catechism conferences.  

To keep our minds at peace and to increase our fortitude, as things continue to spiral. 

Pachama-worshipping Leo and Child Porn Author Kissy Fernandez dropped a Nuke on the SSPX three weeks ago merely because it needed more bishops to ordain and confirm.  We are seeing the nuclear fallout, and will continue to see it for years.  Please do not side with the Ape of the Church in this new phase of the War Against Tradition, which has only begun.  

Eventually they’ll also NUKE the FSSP at MPB, the TLM at Holy Cross parish in Wagoner, and Clear Creek monastery.  Using my local Church as an example of what will happen soon enough universally.   Which is part of my own approach in writing.  

In the mean time, this FSSP Document confirms that my wife and I cannot keep attending the FSSP or the local parish indult in the Tulsa diocese.   Because it logically applies to all SSPX Faithful universally regarding now attending any approved TLM. 

This new situation has never even remotely happened before July 2nd, going back to 1970.  

This is a new formal schism WITHIN the Church, caused by the July 2nd Decree, and now this new document of the FSSP.   I imagine it reflects the position of all Ecclesia Dei groups.  

Since we will not compromise, even to be accepted as normal, then we are persona non grata.  So be it.  AMDG!

Starting a Traditional Catholic Chapel 

Contact me if you’re interested in the early phase of starting up this traditionalist chapel/prayer group affiliated with the SSPX.  A kind of private association of the faithful allowed by canon law, with no required approvals.  We already have a list of people from years before, who were contacted, when it was put on pause.   

Unlike the FSSP, you won’t  have to sign any paperwork to prove you are Catholics. 

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It is Time To Start Stepping Away Temporarily From The Ordinary Juridical Structure Compromised by Modernists, to Join with the Society, Etc, In Order to Be Fully in the traditional Catholic Church and the traditional Catholic Faith. The Multiple Ironies of the SSPX Situation Post July 1st.

Multiple Ironies 

1)If the SSPX is right, then it is on the path to salvation.   But if it is wrong, then Vatican II and the conciliar popes interpreting it are right about ecumenism and non Catholic faiths, and therefore the SSPX is on its own rightful path to salvation, like Protestants, the Orthodox, etc.   The irony.  

Oklahoma City Archbishop Coakley Issues False, Defamatory Statement About St. Michael’s Chapel - SSPX

Update:  32,000 views in first 24 hours posting this. Deo gratias. 

Read it HERE. 

A BAD PRECEDENT SET IN THE TULSA DIOCESE UNDER BISHOP DAVID KONDERLA: RE THE NEW METHOD OF THE SSPX FAITHFUL AND LIKE-MINDED TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS TO “RECONCILE” WITH THEIR BISHOP PER THE DDF. PLEASE SHARE

Overview 

Re Tulsa Bishop David Konderla, Chancellor Deacon Garlick, Vicar General Fr. Kastl, and the US Papal Nuncio Office. (Apparently) Refused to Assist Two Traditional Catholics, Husband and Wife, and (Apparently) Potentially Other Traditional Catholics Across this Local Church of Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma.  To Examine Their Faith and Orientation Regarding their Support of the SSPX and its Traditional Doctrinal Stance, If They Canonically Incurred an “Excommunication,” or Not, And If Not, to Put That Into Writing for the Public Record.  To Help Other SSPX Faithful 

Okie Trad Responds. My Wife and I Received an Anti-SSPX Hit Peace and Condemnation Today from Tulsa Diocese Deacon Charles Beard, of St. Augustine’s Church

“The anti-Christ will set up a counter-Church which will be the ape of the Church because, he the devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the anti-Christ that in all externals will resemble the mystical body of Christ."


Introduction

He joins with all the other anti-SSPX, anti-Tradition haters right now currently circling the burning wagon of the SSPX like rabid Comanches fighting white European American settlers. He accuses us of now leaving the Church, advising others to leave the Church, now entering into schism, and following a false “gospel.”

Those are some pretty heavy accusations. 

Public Service Announcement: SSPX Priests and Laity NOT Declared Excommunicated

See Fr. Z talking about this, based on basic explanations by well respected canon lawyers, as reported by EWTN and Rorate Coeli. 

It has to be in the Decree itself which it isn’t. The Note and the 1996 document it sites have no canonical effect.

Re. the SSPX. An Intervention By The Okie Traditionalist, Appealing To Tulsa Bishop David Konderla and the U.S. Papal Nuncio: A Proposed Doctrinal Agreement and Profession of Faith to Demonstrate “Full Communion” for He and His Wife, all SSPX Laity, the entire SSPX, and Others. For the Greater Glory of God and in Veneration of Our Lady, Queen of Heaven and Earth

Update: 7/8, 4:30.  Left yesterday a voice message with the chancery and one with with the papal nuncio, explained context, polite message.  No reply 24 hours later.  Called today the chancery, receptionist cut me off mid sentence transferring me to the bishop’s secretary who was overbearing, seemingly in response to my repeated attempts, would not tell me her last name, me consistently being polite but firm, when I said that was rude and and I’m in contact with the nuncio she immediately brought the call to an end, as in hung up on me, all documented.  Reported incident by voicemail to nuncio (the second message with them).  By now, after almost a week, someone would have responded to acknowledge receiving the messages.  Based on the bishop several times ignoring my consistently polite attempts to get his help (Re several past incidents with priests, etc., long story), this is why I’m pressing this. If I did it more slowly, past experience clearly indicates we’ll still get blown off.  We are treated like we are not Catholics or citizens.  Or human beings.  

My last email asked for a response by Friday.  

Update: 7/7, 4:30. It’s been 3 business days since my first email, 4 if you include last Friday, but that was July 4th weekend for most a 3 day weekend.  Still no reply from the bishop, chancellor, vicar general, any diocesan representative, or anyone from the US Nuncio office.  

Emailed all again asking please for at least a reply acknowledging receipt of our emails/requests.  Asked to reply by end of business day this Friday, or we will have to conclude they have chosen not to provide the pastoral care we request, even if hypothetically we were “excommunicated.” I also left a voicemail asking for a reply. 

“Excommunicated” from the Ape of the Church. Deo Gratias. Okie Trad Replies. And Writes His Tulsa Bishop

I thank God for being raised a practicing, orthodox Catholic, but as an adult to receive the “singular grace”to understand there is a Crisis in the Church, and how grave it is.  It was also a singular grace in my 20’s for God to lead me, by means of study, prayer, and an attraction to the beauty and goodness of our Catholic heritage, out of the Novus Ordo System of Conciliar Novelty onto the firm foundation of Catholic Tradition, by means of the FSSP, and years later more completely through the SSPX.

Taylor Marshall Is No Longer a Friend of the SSPX.

He’s come out against the consecrations as imprudent, disobedient, and now calls into question their Catholic identity.Yesterday he was pro-SSPX because it was good for business. 

(See Uodates Tonight) SSPX Episcopal Consecrations in Just 6 Hours! Tune Into YouTube. Pope Leo Finally Communicates to the SSPX?!?

Update: 2:03 am. YouTube announcer just said there’s no papal mandate.  So there you go. So be it.  God wants us to suffer for the sins the conciliar church and the modem world with the greatest persecution.

Only 3 Days to Go Until Operation Survival 2.0! Until “Final Liberation from the ‘Ape of the Church’ Day.” Aka “The Day Pope Leo and Cardinal Fernandez Drop a Nuclear Bomb on the Entire SSPX, and Indirectly Across the Wider Church.”

In just 3 days, God will bless us by His Providence with the privilege of white martyrdom, that is the SSPX, and by extension indirectly all traditional Catholics who support them and the work of Catholic Tradition who will also be affected. 

My Wife and I are Members of an SSPX Chapel. If We Too Get “Excommunicated” by Leo the Merciful, then So Be It. We Will Be Happy to Endure All The Practical Consequences, for God’s Glory, and To Be Officially Cut Off From the “Ape of the Church”

 My wife started attending the SSPX in 1999, me in 2007.  I attended the SSPX Chapel in Tulsa from 2007-2017, where we were married, until it had to be closed, and since then we attend the SSPX Chapel in Oklahoma City when we can. 

Leo Finally Speaks About the SSPX. The “Excommunications” Are Mainly About Vatican II Itself, Not Mainly About Not Having a Canonical Papal Mandate

 The Second Vatican Council’s lower level pastoral statements on religious liberty, ecumenism, and collegiality are supposed to be “essential elements” of the Church, as Leo recently said.  Yet, if they were “essential,” they would be dogmas, which must be believed to remain a member of the Church, and would have been taught before the Council.  And, you know,not condemned by the Church before Vatican II.  

The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Constant Teaching of the Catholic Church. Traditional Catholics Have No Other Choice Than to Reject the Conciliar Errors. Even If Falsely “Excommunicated”

The Catholic Church essentially teaches we must always morally follow the Law of Non-Contradictions, because we are taught we are always absolutely bound to adhere to objective Truth.  If the Church has always taught that 1 + 1 = 2, a Catholic can never believe 1 + 1 does not equal 2, or that say 1 + 1 = 3.   

The Okie Traditionalist Responds to Cardinal Muller’s Condemnatory, Alienating Interview About the SSPX, and the Upcoming July 1st Episcopal Consecrations. The Dye Has Been Cast. The “Ape of the Church” Wages War with the True Church. So Be It.

Muller shows his contempt for the work of Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society in his overtly hostile interview just recently released.  He commits hypocrisy by, on one hand, being a promoter of ecumenical unity, but on the other hand in this interview taking a non-pastoral, polarizing, arrogant, and condemning tone to hundreds of thousands of sincere Catholics, attached to a Congregation of about 1,500 formal members around the world, as priests, brothers, sisters, oblates, and seminarians. Who are, by the way, also sincere.  

Pope Leo: ALERT! Get This Message to Him!! Begging Him for Justice and Mercy Towards the SSPX!

2025 SSPX Jubilee Pilgrimage

To Rome.  8,000 Attendees. 680 Clergy and Religious

Gathered in St. Peter’s Basilica

Manifesting their Unity with the Successor to St. Peter 

Preparing for the July 1st SSPX Episcopal Consecrations. And the Aftermath. A Time of Joy and Thanksgiving. A Time to Celebrate. A Time of Witness. A Time to Prepare

The Final Showdown Before July 1st

Follow this development in the weeks ahead:   the SSPX Superior General  recently made a decisive Declaration of Faith TO THE POPE (LINK) in response to Tucho’s  final warning.  He is asking as a simple Catholic and human being that the pope and head of the doctrinal office confirm him, the entire SSPX, and the universal Church in the Faith, on specific central  dogmas, especially “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (EENS), by themselves affirming those dogmas.  

In Defense of the SSPX Episcopal Consecrations. A Common Sense Approach

 First, every Catholic has a right to bishops, priests, and liturgies that are clearly, unquestionably Catholic and reliable, not to mention of their own liturgical rite (LINK).  The Novus Odo is de facto a different rite than the ancient rite, therefore we have a right to the “Tridentine rite,” and “Tridentine” trained clergy.  That is both “Tridentine” priests, but also “Tridentine” bishops to examine their candidacy and then ordain them.  

How Fast Will it Take for Leo and Tucho to “Excommunicate” the SSPX? Okie Trad’s Prediction. Also, a Word to the Indult Trads and the Barnhardt-ites (see Footnote)

The Okie Traditionalist Responds to Okie Laramie Hirsch on the Upcoming SSPX Episcopal Consecrations on July 1st

See LH’s blog article HERE