Tuesday, October 25, 2016

Calling All Okie Traditionalists!

Ruminatin' and Reflectin' about this Blog:

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Late last night, while puffing on a cigar and sipping my usual diet Coke with rum, I enjoyed a conversation with my fellow Okie Trad Blogger Laramie Hirsch (HIRSCH FILES), ruminating and reflecting on what seems to have become a natural evolution for this here blog.  And so I wanted to tell ya'll I've decided to use in part this hobby of mine--The Okie Traditionalist Blog--to express one emphatic Voice on behalf of Traditional Catholics here in Oklahoma.

I'm especially reaching out directly to you clear-minded, un-apologetically traditional Catholics who have at least an IOTA of courage and desire to have a public Voice against the Great Apostasy in our own Local Church.

Okie Traditionalists in the Novus Ordo Back Pew:

I also want to befriend all those faithful Okie Catholics Sitting on the Fence about Catholic Tradition, what to think about a Pope Francis or his newly appointed Tulsa Bishop, let alone Vatican II or the Novus Ordo Mass.

Crunchin' the Numbers:

I'd estimate there are about 750 explicitly Traditionalist Catholics here in Oklahoma, spanning two dioceses, 5 Latin Mass parishes, a monastic community, and two convents.

But get this, there's about 300,000 Catholics in Oklahoma.  3.8 million Okies...8% Catholic...my conservative estimate 20% "practicing" = 60,000 regular Mass attendees.  If just 5% of those were so inclined to believe and practice the Faith as our ancestors always did, that would mean there are:

3000+ would-be traditional Catholics spread out across the state of Oklahoma!

I know this disenfranchised group very well, as I've spent years in solidarity riding the Back Pew with these Salt-of-the-Earth folks at Novus Ordo parishes, toting our Sunday missals dressed in proper Sunday dress.  If I had a dollar for every time I experienced Dry Heaves witnessing the typical sacrileges of the Novus Ordo, I could sit down at my local diner and order up my favorite steak and eggs.

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My Fellow Trads in Eastern Oklahoma:

Over the years, I've hobnobbed on the hilly Eastern side of this Ranching, Oil-derrick-producing, Bible-thumbing state with very devoted traditional Catholics living near the monks of Clear Creek monastery, in Tulsa at St. Peter and Paul parish, Most Precious Blood Parish (FSSP), and the Society of St. Pius X Chapel.

My Fellow Trads in Western Oklahoma:

Likewise, in the West where the dirt turns red, I've worshiped with Trads at the FSSP, SSPX, and Queen of Angels Chapel (recently closed after pastor retired). Recently, I shared my A+ impressions of one vibrant Latin Mass parish in OKC: :
St. Michael's Chapel.

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For a Short Overview and History of the Traditional Movement here in Oklahoma, I also wrote a bit here, when I started this blog back in June:  CLICK.

For Love of the Church, with No Bitterness:

So I feel I share your Voice.  Our Voice is not one of bitterness, intemperate anger, unbridled chatter, nor neglected respect for Episcopal Authority, but rather one of deep love for our Church.

I leave you with this final thought.  What if we Okie Trads could, while maintaining our individual traditionalist communities, UNITE in defending Catholic Tradition across the Heartland?  If not in the flesh, then at least together in spirit!

To set aside FEAR and SILENCE and instead share our VOICE, respectfully to members of the Hierarchy when need be, as lay Catholics and Confessors of the True Faith!

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Viva Cristo Rey!

As Always, the Comment Box is Open!


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  2. AndreaBOctober 27, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    You describe our situation exactly. We would be the traditionalist sitting in the back row of the Novus Ordo, cringing as we try not to notice the gum chewer to our left, the short skirt and low-cut blouse to the right . . . here comes the part where everyone holds and lifts hands, another Protestant infiltration, Our Sacred Lord placed in dirty hands and flopped in the mouth . . . Even the hymns are not reverent; "They will know we are Christians by our love" was written by an ex-priest (Peter Scholtes). One gets weary having to sing Protestant hymns every Sunday. Coming out of mass, I feel saddened and worn out. So much disrespect for the Eucharist. How does one block every bit of it out? It is difficult and with 4 children in tow, everything matters so much more.

    I grew up in a church which was run by the Dominicans. In the diocese, they were not "under" the diocese, but their own. I am not sure how all of this works, but their mass was the most reverent in the area. Although it was not completely said in Latin, most of it was. No one raised/ or held hands during the Our Father, they did not have the sign of peace (another Protestant infiltration), many women wore veils, we all knelt at the communion rail to receive Our Lord. People dressed appropriately. They didn't talk in Church like it was some gathering hall. We sang traditional songs, many in Latin and MANY to our Blessed Mother Mary. The priest did face the congregation. Perhaps, at that time (back in the 80's/90's) they did the most they could or were allowed to do. I am not sure.

    A priest once told me, referring to our turbulent times, to stay in Peter's boat. He said people can get out on the left side or the right side. This is why I am so grateful to the FSSP. They are wonderful traditional Latin mass priests, but they are still in Peter's boat, as are the Clear Creek Monks. The sedevacantists are not. I certainly understand the draw, when one has to attend the mass I described above. If there are no other options, does one suffer through the Novus Ordo? (although some Novus Ordo masses are more reverent than others - I suppose it depends on the priest.) I know our last parish priest had a hard time. He said the Novus Ordo at 9 am, and then offered the Traditional Latin mass at noon. What a night and day difference in the mannerisms, dress, and respect given to Our Lord! He said he certainly preferred the Latin Mass, but what could he do? He was under the Bishop.

    The Oklahoma parish we currently attend is VERY tiny. We are the only family with younger children there. I had a conversation with one of the older parishioners (she is in her late 60's). She seemed angry when I mentioned my love of the Latin mass. Her comment was how horrible it was, how she was just a "spectator" and didn't get to be "involved". I pondered her comment for a good long while. This, indeed, is the root of the whole problem. The mass, that was once solely "about" Christ, is now about US or ME. I'm bored, I want to be a part of it too, I want to pass communion out too, I want to do this and that, etc. It's all me, me, me. And there you have it: altar girls, lay ministers, musicians with guitars only a few feet from the altar, which family gets to carry up the gifts this Sunday . . . and the list goes on and on. And then, somewhere in all of this distraction, is our Precious Lord.

    We are all suffering. I hold on to what Christ said, "...the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church." And so, I wait . . . patiently at times, and not so patiently at other times. And once in a while, we get to attend a Traditional Latin Mass . . . the mass that my generation was robbed of.

  3. Thank you Andrea for you very well thought out post. Your situation reminds me of my own tortured days as a "traditionalist sitting in the back row of the Novus Ordo." Fortunately we have close access to multiple TLMs in our area.

    I'm guessing you're in the Eastern part of the state?

  4. You are welcome Joseph. We are south of Oklahoma City and slightly east. I wish we were in the Northeastern part of the state . . . then we could attend mass at Clear Creek or Wagoner or Edmond. :)

  5. Andrea, ah your part of the state reminds me of Durant,OK where a very orthodox priest named Fr. Norbert Karava, OFM used to serve 10-15 years ago. He had said he TLM before, but also Latin Novus Ordos Masses.

    When I think of Catholics in Oklahoma, I tend to think of those in the city, forgetting about the many rural parishes across the state such as yours. OKC and Tulsa populations combined = about 1 million, but the state as a whole has close to 4 million. If 8% of Oklahomans are Catholic, that'd be about 80,000 in the city, with 240,000 in rural parishes (perhaps less if the percentages drop in rural areas). If 20% of the 240,000 regularly attended Mass, and just 5% of those were orthodox and inclined towards traditional practice, then that calculates to something like 2,400+ would-be traditional Catholics just in the small towns.

    If you have time, can you tell me more about your parish? What good, traditional things stand out there? What atrocities and sacrileges top the list? Are there other Catholics in your parish like you and your family, that you can network with?

  6. The areas of Okc and Tulsa have a much higher percentage of Catholics then do the small towns. There is even a county in western Oklahoma that does not have a Catholic church. I forget which one.