Friday, November 4, 2016

An Okie Traditionalist Mother Writes into the Blog

Last week I decided to step out on my front porch and blast my trumpet across the Traditional Latin Mass Movement of Oklahoma, to offer what help this little blog might give our Local Church. (Calling All Okie Traditionalists).

One devoted Catholic Mother named Andrea, from a RURAL parish south of Oklahoma City, as she describes it, responded expressing her experience as a traditional Catholic riding the Back Pew in her local, modernist parish.

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A Mother Writes In (emphasis mine):

You describe our situation exactly. We would be the traditionalist sitting in the back row of the Novus Ordo, cringing as we try not to notice the gum chewer to our left, the short skirt and low-cut blouse to the right . . . here comes the part where everyone holds and lifts hands, another Protestant infiltration, Our Sacred Lord placed in dirty hands and flopped in the mouth . . . Even the hymns are not reverent; "They will know we are Christians by our love" was written by an ex-priest (Peter Scholtes). One gets weary having to sing Protestant hymns every Sunday. Coming out of mass, I feel saddened and worn out. So much disrespect for the Eucharist. How does one block every bit of it out? It is difficult and with 4 children in tow, everything matters so much more.....The Oklahoma parish we currently attend is VERY tiny. We are the only family with younger children there. I had a conversation with one of the older parishioners (she is in her late 60's). She seemed angry when I mentioned my love of the Latin mass. Her comment was how horrible it was, how she was just a "spectator" and didn't get to be "involved". I pondered her comment for a good long while. This, indeed, is the root of the whole problem. The mass, that was once solely "about" Christ, is now about US or ME. I'm bored, I want to be a part of it too, I want to pass communion out too, I want to do this and that, etc. It's all me, me, me. And there you have it: altar girls, lay ministers, musicians with guitars only a few feet from the altar, which family gets to carry up the gifts this Sunday . . . and the list goes on and on. And then, somewhere in all of this distraction, is our Precious Lord.
We are all suffering. I hold on to what Christ said, "...the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church." And so, I wait . . . patiently at times, and not so patiently at other times. And once in a while, we get to attend a Traditional Latin Mass . . . the mass that my generation was robbed of..

Thank you Andrea for standing up and sharing your story from Rural Oklahoma. I'd estimate there are on the order of Thousands of traditional Catholics here in Oklahoma like this mother, "sitting in the back row of the Novus Ordo," with very similar experiences.

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My Thoughts:

Allow me to add some comments on the sections I underlined above.  I think it can be easily forgotten--I know I do--that perhaps far more traditional Catholics across the RURAL parts of our state (as in other states) are enduring the mental-spiritual torture of their local Novus Ordo Mass, then the hundreds of urban Trads blessed by Providence to be able to make it regularly to their TLM in the city.

This devout Catholic Mother asks how she can "block every bit of it out" with 4 children?  Coming out of Mass she feels "saddened and worn out."  The realist in me, who sees no way to divorce the mind from reality, sees no way to "block out" the pervasive Ecclesiastical Mental-Spiritual Abuse, except by staying home on Sunday to pray.

Her anecdote about the angry, older woman in her parish bashing the Latin Mass of her youth, makes me want to go outside and scream.  But considering its 11:30 pm, that might not be the best idea.  I find it ironic those who disdain our Catholic Tradition are often our church elders (lay and ordained alike), while those reconnecting with Tradition tend to be the younger generations.

Anyway, its getting late and I better wrap it up.

If you ever have a similar experience at your own "local, modernist parish," please stand up and share to help readers better re-orient themselves towards the traditional Faith/Church.

Have a restful, cool (finally, thank God), Fall weekend!  I'll be making chili and lighting a fire tomorrow evening!


jeanannemarie said...

Yes, that's me, in the rural part of Eastern Ohio.

stev said...

Ecclesiastical Mental-Spiritual Abuse. BINGO! " The old rite should be granted to those that desire it, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DANGEROUS OR UNACCEPTABLE ABOUT THAT. A community is calling it's very being into question when it suddenly declares that what until now (1969-70) was it's holiest and highest possession is strictly forbidden, and when it makes the longing for it seem downright indecent. Can it be trusted anymore about anything else? Won't it proscribe again tomorrow what it prescribes today." Joltin Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. We didn't pray hard enough for him that he wouldn't flee for fear of the wolves. Now we got the wolf and he's trying to scare off Cardinal Robert Sarah. Pray harder!

Anonymous said...

Yes, here in rural upstate NY, with a priest who ad libs THE ENTIRE MASS, start to finish. Every Sunday he finds something 'new' to do, some new anecdote showing how 'down with the people' he is, how we are all 'on the journey'. WHERE? Never a mention of where we're going, only exhortations to save the planet and be lovey-dovey non judgmental holy people of God that we are, wonderful wonderful us, time to sing and yep, this Sunday there went the TAMBOURINE. . .

Anonymous said...

St Athanasius
"Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

This Scrripture came to mind: 2John 1:9-10
[9] Whosoever revolteth [note: I think of, for example, this "French Revolution" in the Church] and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son. [10] If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you.

Matters have come to this pass: the people have left their houses of prayer and assembled in the deserts, -- a pitiable sight; women and children, old men, and men otherwise inform, wretchedly faring in the open air, amid most profuse rains and snow-storms and winds and frosts of winter; and again in summer under a scorching sun. To this they submit because they will have no part of the wicked Arian leaven.'
St. Basil the Great

Titus 3:10
A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid

Anonymous said...

That's me 4-5 times a week as a caregiver for a disabled elderly lady who likes that mess. Fortunately, all but one have no music.

Unknown said...

It's really time to start considering moving. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the most important thing in your life, in your children's lives. Find the nearest community with a stable TLM and move within 45 minutes. I'm not saying it's possible for everyone this month, but it's a goal that's for more realistic than waiting for your modernist parish to experience a spiritual awakening. I know from experience that the people at these parishes will undermine your children's faith whenever they get the chance.. all under the guise of doing what they think is right.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

The Ohioan Traditionalist! :) Welcome JeanAnneMarie.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

Thanks for the comment Stev. You wrote "The old rite should be granted to those that desire it."

Makes me think. I would love to get it in writing from the Okie Bishops that they "support the rights of Catholics, according to Summorum Pontificum, to have the Latin Mass."

And then hold them to that pledge by making sure the rights of trads like Anna--stuck in rural Novus Ordo land--are protected.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

Kyrie eleison.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

The quote by St. Basil reminds me of most Latin Mass Catholics in the first decades after the Council having to have TLMs in hotels, funeral homes, and garages. Even Ecclesia dei parishes are often cast out into the desert.

Love that quote. Thanks!

Joseph Ostermeir said...

I tend to agree with you Nate. Ideally, imo, most trads living far removed from a TLM can/should try and move.

But they can still try and attend the true Mass a few times a year, and keep the Faith in their homes.

Its a tough call, but if I was stuck in a rural parish, far removed from the TLM, with weekly sacrilege, I would have to ask the advise of a good traditional priest on how best to keep the Sunday holy.

Anonymous said...

We share your pain from Washington state. Things have gotten even worse with our new Pastor - all of the abuses you mentioned and more. We try to make the 3+ hour (one way) drive to the nearest TLM once each month but it can be hard on our kids. We are planning for the day we can move closer to a reverent liturgy, confession, school and some traditional families. Thanks for this post - it helps to know that we are not alone. We will be praying for others now, too. God bless.

Robespierre said...

Live in the wilds of Northeastern Los Angeles. My local parish in the Los Angeles district of El Sereno has all guitar Masses for the most part. But by the grace of God there is a parish just down the road in South Pasadena that is run by Carmelite priests. The Latin Mass is offered once every Sunday, but even their Novus Ordo Masses are done with reverence (incense and bells and no guitars).

Anonymous said...

I really have to drive the hour to the FSSP to feel like I'm getting everything.

My local liberal diocese has two TLM's which the liberal bishop has so graciously "granted" us. The problem is they don't do everything 100% correctly. Lets start with walking in the door, the Holy Water I know likely hasn't been given the full traditional blessing and exorcism. They give confessions after mass but not before which is better than a sharp stick in the eye and better than a novus ordo parish will ever give you but still, what if I need a confession BEFORE mass? Then they do the absolution in english not Latin, okay, it's valid but how about doing it in Latin like the FSSP does?
Both these Churches share the church with novus ordo. So the trads take great pains to set up the altar etc, which is then dismantled (like this morning after our 7:30 TLM) to make way for a novus ordo. Today for example the vietnamese mass is held after the 7:30 TLM so the vietnamese priests and altar boys come in and start moving and taking everything apart and I'm watching this and thinking, this is pure madness. There is one Latin rite ONLY per Quo Primum and here the Vietnamese come in proudly moving everything and tearing it all down. Madness and DIVISION, not Universal.
How about sacramentals? If I get a blessing on a sacramental at the FSSP the priest pulls out his book and reads the specific Latin blessing and sprinkles holy water on the rosary or cross or other object. The novus ordo church? Not so much.
How about holy communion? Here's the problem with the novus ordo Church which has the TLM, if you're not first rushing up to receive Holy Communion the priest often runs out and has to go into the tabernacle, great, I think as I kneel there waiting, I don't know which priest consecrated those hosts and using novus ordo? It's probably a validly consecrated host but with the FSSP Church I don't have the worry.
Also, the priests who say the TLM at a novus ordo parish are not as sharply vested as the FSSP priests are and often struggle with the rubrics and Latin. This is nit picky but I'm sorry the FSSP is just plain accurate and precise, they take their time and don't rush the words. This is pretty important, it's the holy sacrifice of the mass and I would hope the priest who is saying novus ordos AND TLM's would take the time to ensure his TLM is CRISP, ACCURATE, and PRECISE and not sloppy and careless like a novus ordo.

I think I'm just going to resign myself to driving the hour each way, I feel so much more spirtually enriched by the FSSP but yes, I am grateful for a TLM at the local novus ordo church.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

The Washington Traditionalist! Welcome.

Do you know any fellow Trads in your area? How about network with them? Sign a letter asking the bishop for a TLM. I'm no Summorum Pontificum expert, but I think he'd have to provide a TLM for you.

That or ask the SSPX to come, if not now then when--God willing--Rome canonically recognizes them.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

The Los Angeles Traditionalist! Welcome.

Those priests remind me of a diocesan priest here in Oklahoma named Fr. Tim Davison. He says a Latin High Mass every Sunday. His parish has the NO, but he and the other priests at least follow the rubrics reverently.

I think every Trad is faced with the difficulty where to go to Mass, and even when they have different TLM options.

Joseph Ostermeir said...

I agree, the FSSP parish is a much better situation.