Friday, July 13, 2018

Traditionalist Catholics need to Drink more Alcohol! I agree!

Disclaimer: If you struggle with past or present alcohol abuse, I encourage you to seek the counsel of a good, traditional priest.  

I tip my hat to Okiepapist, past contributor here, for his observation many trads need to drink more spirits, figuratively was my point, but his point was we need to literally be drinking more!  Not in excess, but that trads would greatly benefit from upping our consumption of fermented beverages.  I'm compelled to raise my glass in agreement as I ruminate and reflect on this intervention.  I've heard the same admonition before from within other trad quarters.  It seems to be a recurring theme, that begs the question about the religious temperament of the Latin Mass community as a whole.

Ja, Das ist richtig, Okie Trad!

This advise goes for yours truly as much as any ecclesiastically gas-lighted, over-wound Catholic out there trying to keep the Faith (and our sanity).

Start 'em young I say, spike the baby bottle! Nothing will teach a little youngster as much about the virtue of moderation, and indirectly all virtues, than by learning the value of moderating drink. A few ounces of wine at the Sunday dinner table will help your eight year old appreciate the fruits of the Earth, and that alcohol, like all other sources of nutrition, is not sinful but sustaining.

When Jr. has received the sacrament of Confirmation, and is able to endure the physical hardship of carrying a heavy backpack for a ten mile mountain trek, he should be handed the whiskey bottle when it is, later that night, passed around the campfire.

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He will be far less likely to become an adult alcoholic, or addicted to anything. I guarantee Our Lord enjoyed some local brew with his foster father St. Joseph, at the end of a hot Mediterranean day of hard physical labor.

The next time your church circle is tempted to form its own informal parallel parish within a parish (I've heard too many stories of intra-parish trad rebellions to shake a stick at), instead turn your basement into a bar lounge, and invite your clique over to theologize, laugh, and play. Stock up on vodka, whiskey, wine, and beer, and invite Padre over for a drink, to respectfully hash out issues.

The next time your trad priest preaches a seemingly watered down sermon, or swings the other way and chastises families from the pulpit by name for owning televisions (I've witnessed this), don't rush home and stew in your chair in anger. Instead, hit up the local Irish pub on your way home from Mass, and make it a tall Guinness. Let your anger be quenched by ethanol and fermented, nutrient-dense grains!  Far more healthy than the toxic, defensive, anti-social tactics that you'll see play out within trad circles.  

Kilkenny's Irish Pub in Tulsa. 
Minutes from any local Latin Mass.

Are your church gatherings growing stale? Mixed with boredom, petty quarrels, or insularity? Nothing will open up the group, get the sphincter muscles to relax, and the stress hormones to dissipate more than installing a full bar in your parish hall!  I'll be the first to volunteer to bartend. "Father, can I convince you to have another beer?"

There's no better cure for pseudo-Catholic religious fundamentalism (or Jansenism, or whatever you want to call it), than a Boiler Maker. Stop abusing the gift of language, please, and instead of chastising the seeming worldlings among your ranks beneath you for not following Amish rules of conduct, drink that tall beer. At the bottom of the glass is a shot of whiskey you gulp down.  Grace builds upon nature, after all.  

Let us trads install full, liquor bars in our home, to accompany our family altars, libraries, wood burning stoves, and pianos.  The next time you go to the bookshelf to read yet again another book about the evil New World Order, take a break and read The Rule St. Benedict, with classic commentary.  The Rule was/is a tonic for all things extreme in Catholicism.  It prescribes daily wine for the monk, after all.  Or at least make yourself a White Russian to go with your next conspiracy theory.

Planning to buy something like
this in a few months

After all, St Paul recommends drinking wine everyday. It's right there in the Bible folks. And old St Paul could get pretty hard core.

Tomorrow night I'll be relaxing with my favorite R&R whiskey, and checking the comments below to see if you agree.

Have a good weekend. Cheers!


  1. I get your point. "Loosen up". "Why, so, serious?!" as it were.


    I think this is very, very, bad advice. I am a recovering alcoholic. As a convert who never previously drank alcohol, I was introduced to the substance after conversion. The context was, like this, "enjoy all the gifts God gives us; glory be to God in alcohol and friendship".

    Well. I became an alcoholic as a result. Darn near destroyed my life and my family's. God's grace saved me through frequent submission to the sacrament of reconciliation. And an understanding wife.

    Just be aware of this other side of your advice. In my opinion, ex-alcoholic, dry for two years, alcohol is at best *neutral* in its benefits. At worst, it can send souls to hell. I have met many Catholic alcoholics; many that drive drunk after a night of fellowship. Lives and souls at risk. And I now enjoy life much, much more dry than "wet".

    Just be careful, would be my request. I understand the larger point. Do not wish to detract from it. But there are those like me, many of us, who struggle with alcohol and it can be a soul killer.

    1. Well, I tend to think your friends were right, and you're placing the blame in the wrong glass. Could the problem be that you yourself failed to be moderate in drink, rather than getting "very bad advice" from Catholics to enjoy the "gifts God gives us?"

      Alcohol is no more evil than a pineapple, but not everyone can drink, just as some diabetics have to avoid very sugary fruit. But things like wine, beer, or pineapples are the natural things of God, that God wants people IN GENERAL to enjoy. In MODERATION! Wouldn't you agree?

    2. Yes. As with the original article, I agree with you in general, but with a personal word of caution.

      Alcohol is not the same as sugary fruit. It is an addictive substance. Unlike Pineapple, it is not naturally produced by God, but manufactured by man with alcohol content in mind; esp the grain alcohols. It rewires the brain to crave more, in ever-expanding quantities. It can consume and destroy men and women's lives, in a way that pineapple and fruity drinks do not. It changes behavior. It causes birth defects when used by expecting mothers - more enduring than if exposed to drugs like crack or heroin (true!). It leads to dui's and possible road fatalities. It blinds sufferers to their behavior and clouds their judgement (conscience) from seeing the effects on themselves, their family, their job, their choice for sin or righteousness under temptation. Above all, alcohol can, and does, easily replace God in the scheme of filling the void of deep spiritual desire and longing.

      Sugary drinks and fruit do not do any of this. Diabetics can easily avoid those temptations. But alcoholics will drink themselves into a grave, preceded by a wrecked life, convinced they *do not have a problem* as their world collapses around them. It is easy to advise "moderation" when the object is not a personal temptation. In honesty, and charity, however, you need to acknowledge that alcoholism is more than just equivalent to sugar to a diabetic.

      Once again, I only ask for empathy for those who suffer from this. You may be surprised how pervasive the problem is. Many think they are fine, when they are not at all fine. I think the problem is much worse in Catholic circles than we may wish to admit. I appreciate the logic you and OkieTrad present here. I only suggest to you that more lives are destroyed by this than you or OkieTrad might be willing to admit.

    3. I empathize with alcoholics, but your view on alcohol comes across Calvinistic, which is the very problem that needs to be addressed. But fair points.

    4. Eph 5:18

      I Cor 6:9-10


      These scriptural warnings, many others like it, are no longer a worry for me. Booze is fine for you. It is not, by itself a sin per se. Fine. It will not help me get to heaven, however. That is all I care about. It hinders, not helps. It does destroy lives.

      And I will certainly not be putting it into my children's food supply.

    5. Agree Aqua. Am cradle Catholic. Alcohol destroyed my marriage, led me to being gang raped. Pregnant + then aborted ( murdered my unborn child). Multiple suicide attempts. So why the 'hell' would I dream of having a beer after 20 glorious dry years. This is a very, very common problem. A very hidden problem. Author , read Revelation the drunks are not making it to Heaven!

    6. If you're an alcoholic, don't drink alcohol then, but no one here is advocating for drunkenness.

  2. How 'bout cigarettes? There is no worse societal taboo than smoking. So surely it too must be good in moderation, relaxing, pleasant.

    1. All in moderation, but that might just mean the occasional cigarette. I've heard trad priests say smoking is in itself sinful, others I've seen smoke cigars. My opinion is that the occasional cigarette, cigar, or pipe generally for most people does no significant harm, but can be good for mental health, which we often make secondary when we emphasize physical health. The problem with many trad minds is that it is wound up with obsession, paranoia, anxiety, and depression about what they experience in the Church, let alone their daily life in society. Something has to give.

  3. I'm not much one for liquor but I do enjoy a cold brewski. Home from TLM on Sunday, crack open a cold one, turn on the oldies station on the radio, and start cooking, with the occasional dance around the kitchen with my wife when a good tune comes on.

  4. Tut tut. Look up the meaning of "begging the question." And "everyday" does not mean "every day."

    1. ditto padre, the phrase has different meanings, didnt you know. but thx for your comment, very illustrative. ;)

  5. Love the article. I'd like to add that in many places in Italy and France (and perhaps most of Europe) the kids are raised with a small glass of wine for everyone with meals. Of course there's alcoholism too in those countries, as everywhere else. But most people learn from this about moderation and they think of wine as a digestif, an aid to digestion. Like you said, everything in moderation.
    I'm sure most trads who are aching from the battle wounds of life already live a life of prayer, but I think it's not a bad idea to suggest a deeper prayer life and the begging of God's graces to live it.
    Also, I love the photos you use here, especially that one of your local pub!

  6. Having worked with a woman whose mother put beer into her milk as a baby, this is not funny. Not funny at all.

    On the other hand, your advice about a little wine for seven or eight year olds at dinner, with family, is very good, and is often considered to be the reason why alcoholism is comparatively rare in Mediterranean countries. It is associated with food and family. There is no forbidden fruit aspect, and it is not used as a handy tranquilizer, as it is in northern European countries.

    Also, St. Paul says one glass of wine. Getting drunk is a sin. Check your Bible.

    1. Sigh. No one here is suggesting getting drunk is not a sin. Re the baby bottle reference, that was using the rhetorical device called HYPERBOLE.