Saturday, March 31, 2018

The Alt Right. My Opinion. (Re: Laramie Hirsch, an Okie Trad Blogger and Alt-Right Apologist)

Re-posting this from a year ago,  when Laramie Hirsch told me he is writing a book called Alt-Right, Meet Rad Trad  which he stated is an attempt in part to explain and advocate for this "movement" to his fellow traditional Catholics.  From his new blog,  he is still promoting the Alt-Right and writing his book, for now.  Will email him to see if he'd like to re-engage the debate,  for old times sake.  Happy Easter Hirsch.

How to define what Alt Right is? How much can traditional Catholics get involved in the Alt Right?

It's Saturday morning, and the caffeine from my morning coffee is setting in. I'll be addressing these poignant questions in today's segment.

You'll be very hard pressed to get an Alt Right advocate to clearly explain what the Alt Right is, define it, list its specific ideals, especially it's positive goals and truths.  But I'll try and give my own fair take on what it is.

The Okie Traditionalist's Definition of the Alt Right!

The "Alt Right" is an ideology and socio-political movement, mainly on the internet, of websites, blogs, and forums, which opposes liberalism, neconservativism, multiculturalism, and globalism, while promoting a mainly caucasian European-American nationalism, return to foundations of Western Civilization, and restoration of the dignity of white men.
Can we get involved in this movement?

I think we can, but marginally at most.  There are good alt-right authors and principles, but in my observations this online phenomenon is riddled with serious problems, from the perspective of Catholic morality and Catholic teaching on race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc..  The Alt Right does not per se hold a Christian society as an ideal, as one of its central values.  Some may, but generally the ideology is not promoting a Christian society or world view.   It's conservativism is libertarian and nationalistic, but not "socially conservative."

Can there be a "traditional Catholic niche" within the Alt Right movement?  Hirsch thinks so, and is an advocate for the notion, God bless him.  But I remain skeptical.

What is the alternative?

As Catholics we must be political.  We must promote just government and a society that is based on Christian morality.  The Church says that.  How much we get involved in any political movement would depend on the proportion that movement is in conformity with this standard.

But I don't see the need for a loose "umbrella" which the Alt Right says it is, under which conservatives dwell, i.e. those who reject liberalism and neo-conservativism.   It's like Hans Solo walking into that bar with all the different exotic aliens.  So what if all sorts of species fit into the intergalactic Empire. Unless the "Empire" presents itself as a clearly definable, definite entity with a specific creed--and a creed that is in conformity with the true religion--then it comes across nonsensical to be seriously part of it.  Why not just be under the smaller umbrella of a more specific political movement?  In this case the Alt Right would be the Empire.  And it comes across as deliberately nebulous.

The alternative is simply to be a traditional conservative, and to support political movements, but not to become seriously committed to their ideology. Instead of shifting, man-made ideologies, the Church says to turn to doctrine, especially from the popes, on the Social Kingship of Christ, government, society, culture, etc.  Make the Catholic system the primary source of socio-political truth, and ultimate guide to navigating the waters of political movements like the Alt Right.


  1. I'd have to agree. The alt-right loves their sodomy and all the moral degeneration. Their idea of restoring Western culture is a false restoration, for without Catholicism there is nothing. Catholicism is the foundation of Western civilization, without which you have nothing.

    -Cigar Smoking Trad

    1. I must respectfully disagree, good sir.

      The Alt-Right, formally known as the Intellectual Alternative Right, got its name by Paul Gottfried in 2008. It's basically the Post-NeoConservative Right. This new Right includes people like Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran (if the latter were alive today)--the paleoconservatives. The John Birch Society. The "Actual" Right that keeps getting co-opted and dumped by party "moderates."

      However, because the Alt-Right is currently so broad, the loudest voices of the dysfunctional--as well as the literally puritanical hard Right--are being heard the most. That's what 30 years of cultural suppression will do, I guess.

      But not everyone's a twisted, sexually abused sodomite like Milo or a New Atheist Right-Libertarian like some others.

      It's just that the Right has chosen not to be Neo-Conservative any longer. Big Government Conservatism is a thing started largely by a Jewish faction that was welcomed by the Right, through Bill Buckley and his National Review. This Jewish faction was pretty much Leftists who were Bolshevik Jews kicked out of Russia that suddenly became anti-Soviet. The father of Neo-Conservatism is Irving Kristol. Neo-Conservatism is your other choice, apart from the Intellectual Alternative Right movement.

      As for Conservatism itself: it can't even conserve the ladies restroom. Even the founder of the political philosophy of Conservatism, Russel Kirk, stated that it's a non-ideology. It's an attitude and a posture, only. Conservatism can slide in any direction because it stands only for what the people of the time want it to stand for.

      The Right decided to let the anti-Soviet Jews in who would become the Neo-Conservatives. And, as we have seen, the paleo-Right was driven out of this "conservative movement," once the Neo-Cons became dominant. Recall how the National Review purged itself of the Old Right; think of names such as Derbishire, Brimelow, Sailer, and Coulter. These people failed the NeoCon litmus test. Remember how the Neo-Cons sought to subvert the Regan presidency, and got their man with George H.W. Bush as president. Recall how, when the Tea Party got going, it was immediately co-opted and choked to death. (That was an alternative right that was too weak to survive.) And then, remember how the 2012 Republican Presidential Primary was dead set to make the non-NeoCon Ron Paul look as foolish as possible.

      This new strain of the Right, the Intellectual Alternative Right, is positioning itself against such takeovers by the Neo-Conservatives. Though, I expect some co-opting attempts will occurr soon enough in pro-Trump circles. CPAC's embrace of Trump and Bannon ring hollow, and appear as clear positioning.

      It's best to just stand for Catholicism, utilizing this fresh political movement as a way to break through to new minds. I am not a Conservative. I am an extremist, a radical, an elitist, a counter-revolutionist, and a monarchist. The current paradigm is not a good one, and it needs to be changed. I do not want to conserve any bit of modernism. I would rather direct people towards the fresh shores of Catholicism.
      Neo-Conservatism and Conservatism is just more of the same modernist liberalism that we've had for generations. With the alt-Right, we won't get a monarchy, however, we do seem to be moving away from the Neo-Cons with this movement, and that's a great thing.


  2. I think the alt-right is interesting. It reminds me of "no-fap", veganism, MGTOW, taking cold showers, decalcifying the pineal gland, traditional Catholicism, and other internet phenomena. However I do not think the alt-right will ever become so popular that they will win many free elections in the future because of all the immigration and the communist indoctrination of the youth in the public school system and in the universities. I think the best they can hope for is a benevolent dictator to seize power who will share some of their ideas. But I do not see anything good happening in the future, I expect more and more socialism until society collapses.

    1. So the Alt Right has little chance of winning actual elections? I see no examples it is even trying to, let alone form actual political organizations in the flesh. So far it's all in the Matrix we call the internet. Even in that movie, the heroes were building a new community outside of the digital world.

      Laramie, you there? How would you answer this objection?